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So I'm thinking about updating my rig as it's around 3-4 years old now and modern PC games tend to chug quite a bit on it.

Picked up a new Dell 24" LED monitor for under $200 delivered which I was happy with and am now looking at getting the following:

- New mobo
- CPU
- Video card
- 4 gig RAM

This is what I'm looking at for the moment, budget is $600 so doesn't need to be anything super fancy:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=43363 - CPU
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=40283 - RAM
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=46446 - Vid card
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=48432 - Mobo

Comes to $533 for that lot but would like opinions if there are better choices for a little bit more or even cheaper than what I've selected.

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Looks good, though I'd get a gtx460 instead.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=47045

$50 more but it's a solid card as opposed to a 'budget' one.

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Cool, I've switched that one in so up to $585.

Other thing I was wondering is do you still need to reinstall Windows when you replace this much stuff? I know you used to with XP but not sure if that's the case with Windows 7. I know the licence key probably won't work anymore but I'll be able to get another one cheap through work.

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i650's are pretty meh (Dual Core with Hyperthreading). Grab a 760, they're only like 25-30 bucks more.

Also I think these are better options for the mobo if you can spare the smidge extra -

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?mai ... s_id=13485

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?mai ... s_id=15233

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What type of power would a system like that need?

I haven't been in the market for about 3 years, would this rig be roughly middle of the road? What types of improvements could be made if the budget was a little higher?

Curious mostly.

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Azareus wrote:
Other thing I was wondering is do you still need to reinstall Windows when you replace this much stuff? I know you used to with XP but not sure if that's the case with Windows 7. I know the licence key probably won't work anymore but I'll be able to get another one cheap through work.


I've been out of the hardware loop for a while now, but I'm also running with ~3 y/o hardware and I'm starting to get the itch. I think I mentioned a while back that I was running 2 raptors in raid 0 and lost one, causing complete data loss - so I really want to go the 4 drive 0+1 route in a new build. It also seems some DX11 stuff is worthwhile, so maybe I should just get new video and see how it goes rather than rebuilding everything. I'm still on the oc'd Q6600 (3.2 oc).. which is going on 4 years old soon.

As for needing to reinstall W7 - that's a yes. XP was much more forgiving about installing new motherboards, but with W7, it's a fresh install. It'll probably let you do it without any problems, but if it doesn't, I'm pretty sure you can contact Microsoft and they'll alter the key so it'll accept a new hardware configuration. I think they allow a certain number of rebuilds before the key is useless.

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When re-install W7 make sure you set your SATA controller to AHCI native first ;)

It's surprising the number of people that still use IDE mode.

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Rhalin wrote:
What type of power would a system like that need?

I haven't been in the market for about 3 years, would this rig be roughly middle of the road? What types of improvements could be made if the budget was a little higher?

Curious mostly.


Would Chug along on 600watts just fine provided it was a decent unit, but I like a little extra head room.

With extra wiggle room on the cash front I'd drop in a 1GB 460 instead of the 768meg model and probaby kick the mobo up to a ASUS P7P55D-E. I'd also shove a couple of Western SATA3 Western Digital Black drives in there for some drive speed.

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When re-install W7 make sure you set your SATA controller to AHCI native first ;)

It's surprising the number of people that still use IDE mode.


Yeah I've noticed this at work actually. We're now using WDS to push out Windows 7 to our clients and with the laptops in particular, it won't load up the boot image unless the drive is set to AHCI mode. Which is fine cause I could never get AHCI mode working properly with XP (shitty Lenovo drivers that never work). Works fine with Win7 though.

BTW WDS rocks so much, especially since they included the driver database with Server 2008 R2. Being able to inject any driver into your images ftw. I rarely use Ghost nowadays.

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As for needing to reinstall W7 - that's a yes. XP was much more forgiving about installing new motherboards, but with W7, it's a fresh install. It'll probably let you do it without any problems, but if it doesn't, I'm pretty sure you can contact Microsoft and they'll alter the key so it'll accept a new hardware configuration. I think they allow a certain number of rebuilds before the key is useless.


Ah cool, well I'll probably do a fresh reinstall anyway. Something to do one weekend.

So here's my setup now with Darv and Kor's recommendations:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=43292 - Video
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=43292 - Mobo
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=40283 - RAM
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=47041 - CPU

$640 total so it's a little over budget but I can swing that. Not going to upgrade hard drives for now but probably will down the track.

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Korakas wrote:
When re-install W7 make sure you set your SATA controller to AHCI native first ;)

It's surprising the number of people that still use IDE mode.


Yeah I've noticed this at work actually. We're now using WDS to push out Windows 7 to our clients and with the laptops in particular, it won't load up the boot image unless the drive is set to AHCI mode. Which is fine cause I could never get AHCI mode working properly with XP (shitty Lenovo drivers that never work). Works fine with Win7 though.

BTW WDS rocks so much, especially since they included the driver database with Server 2008 R2. Being able to inject any driver into your images ftw. I rarely use Ghost nowadays.

Micas wrote:

As for needing to reinstall W7 - that's a yes. XP was much more forgiving about installing new motherboards, but with W7, it's a fresh install. It'll probably let you do it without any problems, but if it doesn't, I'm pretty sure you can contact Microsoft and they'll alter the key so it'll accept a new hardware configuration. I think they allow a certain number of rebuilds before the key is useless.


Ah cool, well I'll probably do a fresh reinstall anyway. Something to do one weekend.

So here's my setup now with Darv and Kor's recommendations:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=43292 - Video
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=43292 - Mobo
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=40283 - RAM
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/pro ... s_id=47041 - CPU

$640 total so it's a little over budget but I can swing that. Not going to upgrade hard drives for now but probably will down the track.


Looks like a goer :)

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Get it all working Az?

I just bought a 460.. EVGA, 850 core clock, etc.. was thinking about monitors since it has an HDMI port. What about using a 32" 1080p tv for a monitor? I'm using 2 x 24" monitors now, but.. you know.. would a 32" tv be over the top? Would it be ghosting like mad?

Something like this..

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/LN32C540F2DXZA

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I haven't ordered the parts yet. Getting paid tomorrow so might look at ordering then.

I would think that monitor would be okay with a 6ms response time, pretty sure my 24" Dell is 8ms and games look great on it.

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Got my new GTX460 installed this afternoon. 850 GPU, 2000 memory out of the box. Running it at 900 no problem.

WoW looks nice.. and I'm pretty sure the new DX11 water effects are working properly. It's pretty impressive. Running the water on "ultra" quality automatically enables the new graphics, right? Anybody know?

Going to need to do a new MB, CPU, memory before long I think.

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Think so. Mine is on ultra and the water is heaps pretty.
I think I'm going to have to replace my cpu/mobo soon. The Q6600 isn't keeping up in starcraft 2 team games

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I did a search and it turns out that if you have a DX11 card and you want to use the hardware for the DX11 features in wow, you need to add;

SET gxApi "d3d11"

To the end of the config.wtf file that's in the WTF folder.

I didn't realize this, but even if you have a DX10 card, if you enable "ultra" in the options, it is exactly the same visual that people with DX11 cards see.. it's just not done by the hardware of the video card. Essentially, DX11 cards just use hardware for the features and thus a better frame rate.

It's buggy. I enabled hardware for DX11 and set everything to ultra. It would run fine for a while but then the frame rate tanks and I see the GPU utilization spikes to 100% and stays there. Something is getting caught in an infinite loop or something.

I'm also using a Q6600 @ 3.2 ghz. Wow has always confused me because the task manager would show that there's plenty of headroom in all 4 cores (not max utilization) and the video card not maxed either. I'm guessing there is something (chipset, memory, etc.) that is bottlenecking the system. I'm going to have to do an upgrade soon also I guess.

There's also a bug where occasionally everything goes black and windows says something about the video driver crashing and being recovered. I guess that's a driver bug.

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